Once Saved, Always Saved? – Clearly Not…

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Category : Literature, Religion

Having just completed David Pawson’s book; Once Saved Always Saved? I thought I’d better post a response to my post “Once Saved, Always Saved?” from a few weeks ago.

Quite apart from the somewhat obvious conclusions (based on the strategic use of the question mark in the title) which are drawn I found this book fascinating. Pawson spends a large amount of time looking at Church history, mythology, and some seemingly misunderstood historic Christians to try and uncover where the idea coined by the phrase “Once Saved, Always Saved?” has come from. It is certainly, if you agree with the books conclusions, not biblical. This wander through the ages; while by no means complete serves as a real shot in the arm as it is quite clear that this idea, quite like so many others has not come from the biblical text but instead from some ancient interpretation of them and the tradition, and sometimes even superstition that has built up around them. Yet again a reminder why the whole point of this blog; to find out what is truly within the Bibles pages, is so important.

As I hinted at in my initial post on this subject, the idea behind this phrase; when unpacked, really just doesn’t sit right. However, it is a difficult one for us to swallow because; apart from our own personal situations with God, we all know people who have made a commitment but have ‘wandered away’. Or even people that have ‘passed away’ that we would like to think made a commitment at one stage or another, even if it didn’t bear a great deal of fruit in their lives. At its most basic level we want us, and the people we love to have a safe and happy eternal destiny. The idea behind “Once Saved, Always Saved?” gives us that assurance, which is why this is such an emotive subject and one which we all carry a certain amount of baggage; preconceived ideas and prejudice to.

Pawson’s book looks at how salvation is not a one time decision but a journey which we are all on; a race, as Paul puts it, which, possibly, we may not reach the end of. I would thoroughly recommend reading this one. Not because I totally agree with all thatââ?¬â?¢s written in it; I am still working through some of it and the consequences to my own life, but because at very least it challenged my thinking on a subject which I thought carried very little relevance to me but one which I soon realised I had made my mind up about without ever really considering it consciously.

I think I have accepted the idea that we are not “Once Saved, Always Saved?” but I also hold on to the fact God is a God of grace. He loves us and dearly desires that none should perish.

What do you think? Have you looked into this area or read this book?

Jerry Springer feels the might of Christian integrity

Category : Religion, Society

In many ways I was quite pleased to stumble upon this article. It seems that there is such a thing as bad publicity and this was felt by the Jerry Springer Opera.

You can read it at your leisure but I thought I would note it because it seems (without me knowing anything about the two groups involved so I am unable to comment on them in any way) that Christians standing up for what they believe has actually made a difference. Isn�t it time we were more vocal on other issues too.

This is what I talked about here in my post ââ?¬Ë?an integral new yearââ?¬â?¢ where I talked about how our integrity is the most important thing we have. Let our actions match our beliefs.

Food for thought.

The root of all evil?

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Category : Religion, Society

If you were watching Channel 4 last night you may have watched a program called ‘The root of all evil‘. The documentary was presented by Richard Dawkins, an Oxford professor who set out to ask the question ‘why is the world deluded by religion in the face of opposing scientific evidence that suggests it is all myth and fiction‘. I thought it would be good to discuss some of his ideas and maybe approach them in a less extremist way.

Dawkins has two main arguments as far as I can see:

  1. Firstly there is the issues that Christian’s still can’t agree on such as the issues of creation and evolution where he suggests that the overwhelming scientific evidence should cause us to back down and admit we are wrong.
  2. Then there is the issue that while all the major faiths preach morality, peace and hope in fact they bring violence, intolerance and destruction.

Dawkins is a self-professed atheist and the documentary was very much from that point of view – in fact any mention of Christianity sparked cheesy music and overall even I was left with a tarnished view of my own faith!

So how do we address the issues put forward by this program? I think the issues he raises are ones that need to be talked about and debated – maybe the reason why he has a documentary to do is because they have been swept under the carpet for so long.

One of his main points was on the lines of scientific proof. He recalled a university professor who had passionately believed in a particular theory for many years and had dedicated his life to researching that theory and promoting it. One day, another professor proved to him that what he had in fact believed was completely wrong. Apparently the professor shook him by the hand and thanked him for opening his eyes to this – and apparently that is the attitude which scientists have that us religious people don’t. Whilst I agree with him that if something is proved to be completely false it just looks foolish to continue saying that it is in fact true I think it is ultimately impossible to disprove religious belief using this argument – which may seem arrogant and blinded to someone like Dawkins but really is the essence of faith.

All of scientific knowledge about events such as the big bang are theories – they are theories because there is evidence that suggests they are true, evidence to suggest they are false but no evidence to say conclusively that they cannot be false. I also, as mad as it seems to Dawkins, feel this way about my faith and about events such as creation. There is evidence in the scriptures that God created the world in six days, there is evidence from scientists to say this is madness but no way for this to be conclusively disproved.

In mathematics, complex problems are often solved by assuming a factor holds true and then continuing calculations until the calculations fail in such a way that mean your assuming factor could not have possibly been true. I view issues such as creation in the same way – Dawkins starts by assuming that there could not have possibly been a God and finds evidence that supports his view while I assume that God was instrumental in creation and I find evidence that supports my view. The bad news is for Dawkins is that we are never going to be able to prove in this life one way or the other conclusively. The other frustrating thing that Dawkins may find is that when I assume that God is not only instrumental in creation but in other events throughout history and in my everyday life then, well anything is possible. Scientists such as Dawkins may think this is complete madness – but then we knew he would say that didn’t we?

On the issue of faith preaching faith and hope that it ultimately results in violence and intolerance I feel he used some good examples in his report. I think society has huge problems today and the root of it seems to be intolerance – and to be honest when I think about this issue I have more questions than answers. I completely understand why Jesus set us straight on what is important in life and I think that His message of love is one that if lived out can affect society in un-imaginable ways. I guess what I don’t understand is why there are acts of intolerance in the Old Testament – often perpetrated by God Himself and if Jesus was always the plan why those things had to happen in the first place.

A friend of mine used to have a sticker in their car window that said “If you are living like there is no God then you had better be right!” I believe that my Christian faith is something that gains me everything and looses me nothing. I believe the teaching of Jesus Christ is the most profound teaching ever to echo the ears of the inhabitants of this earth. I believe this through testimony shown in the bible and through testimony and experience in my own life. I believe this not because I was told to, but because I choose to. This, in my humble opinion is what is so amazing about the God we have faith in.

So there we go – a few thoughts but probably raising more questions than they answer!
Any thoughts?